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PostSubject: Applying for CLEANER   Sat Dec 25, 2010 9:38 am

I'D like to Apply to be a cleaner i'm not that good at cleaning but i hope you'll teach me on how i can improve my cleaning technique...

here some of the cleaning that i've done

Merging 2 pages:
Before:http://img530.imageshack.us/f/beforen.jpg/
After: http://img196.imageshack.us/f/afterry.jpg/

One Page:
Before:http://img152.imageshack.us/i/case24155.jpg/
After: http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5183/80206483.jpg

Hope you'll let me join...
Wanted to Be a cleaner all my life...
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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sat Dec 25, 2010 5:26 pm

Hi there john! Thanks for applying ^^

The spread and the cleaned page looked good to me, but both came from very good RAWs (exceptional RAWs if you ask me). Not very often a cleaner has to work with such HQ material, so knowing how to clean crappier pages is always useful. Before we start, tell me: did you use any particular softare (Photoshop aside?).

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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sat Dec 25, 2010 5:42 pm

I only use photoshop.....
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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sat Dec 25, 2010 5:48 pm

I see. Figured as much xD Normally, if I were to work with those RAWs I would use only Photoshop myself; but as I already told you, we usually have to handle stuff of lower quality xD

Well, before giving you a test and some tips, I recommend you to take a peek in here:

http://mudascantrad.forummotion.com/t63-all-the-tools-you-need-to-clean-and-become-a-muda-editor-p

Download Topaz Denoise 3 and Topaz Clean (Topaz Clean is not included, but you can always google it Razz ). Those are Photoshop's plugins, and totally indispensable stuff for a manga cleaner. After you have downloaded and installed them, take another look here:

http://mudascantrad.forummotion.com/t10-learn-to-clean-in-10-minutes-or-less-by-willow-sama

After you are done, post in here and I will give you a lil' test ^^

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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:22 pm

done installing the plug-in....
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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:46 pm

Perfect ^^

mediafire.com ?5dsr7xsppt6hvt9

Here is Psyren 145's RAWs. Despite the fact that they are HQ RAWs (meaning the pages are 3000px. high or similar), this is a clear example of what I meant earlier with "crappier stuff" (you will see the difference in short xD).

The tutorial you have just read doesn't mention it, but Topaz Clean should be used right before saving. Its main function is to make the greys uniform, while Topaz Denoise's function is to make the greys "clean" (without dust). While T.Cleaning it, set it in "DeGrunge" and play with the values (remember, the greys' tones should be uniform, but they still need to keep their pattern. Uniform isn't the same as "plain" [just saying this cuz most people misunderstoods it xD]).

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PS: You don't have to clean the entire chapter. Just pick 3-5 pages (with lots of greys) Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:45 am

Ive found a photoshop cs5 portable with built in topaz plug-in.....
Just reply if you like.....

I'm Kinda new in using Topaz so i can assure that the raws i cleaned is not yet cleaner as the professional cleaner use to........
This are the results....


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Please teach me more for improvement.....
I'd Really like to be a cleaner...


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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:56 am

Here are the raws

http://img814.imageshack.us/g/86580951.jpg/

This is the album of the raws and cleaned pages in case the images above doesn't load....
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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:59 am

I can't see your results!

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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:14 am

that's because it takes forever for them to load. check the image shack link instead...

and john please put the pics in [spoiler] tags because some people wont even be able to access this page since it's too much to download ^^

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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:58 pm

The pages seem a little overleved to me (judging from the black squares that remained). Also, your T. Clean values were way too high (since most of the greys' pattern got lost, and only the overleved squares remained). Remember what you read in the tutorial:

In your first leveling [page in Greyscale mode], the whites' and blacks' sliders should be in the middle of the two peaks or "mountains" like in the picture:



And in your second leveling [page in RGB mode; since you had to Topaz the page, and the only way you could have Topazed the page is if it was in RGB], you should move the sliders to the extremes of the peaks again (meaning the blacks should be as black as possible [this doesn't mean they should be clean, without dust!] and the whites as white as possible [meaning that they musn't have any visible dust]).



Once you manage to get corrected leveled pages, we will move forward to your next problem: Topaz-Cleaning the page Razz

Luck! ^^

PS: Don't follow the leveling's numbers in the images there. Every page will have different leveling values according to the serie and paper quality you are working on. Just follow the "mountains", and you should be good Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:17 pm

ok i'll try it again

here is what in came out i did not use topaz clean...

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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:47 pm

Now the leveling was MUCH better! Next time level the blacks a little, just a little less; still good job ^^ Also, next time resize the page to 1300 px. instead of 1200 px. (it's the size we are using nowadays).

Well now, we will start with T.Clean (again) Razz Try values similar to these (always in DeGrunge mode):

Clean:
Clean Stg 4
Threshold 1.50

Edges:
Accent: 1
Radius:4

Texture:
Stg: 0.65
Boos: 1.22

I don't usually give out values to wannabe cleaners, because different series will obviously need different values (these ones are for that page). What I really want is that you learn the expected outcome, something similar to this:

http://manga.animevibe.net/mangas/Psyren/145%20-%20Connected%20Worlds%20(end)/Psyren_145_08_%5BMudaScans%5D.png

These values will help you archieve this kind of greys (see how they are "squarish-patterned"? This is what I want you to do with your page Razz). Use these steps:

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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:54 pm

ok i'll try it........
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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:58 pm

Sorry, the page you have posted earlier was way better than this one D: This page is kinda overleveled (specially the whites, see how you lost almost all the light greys), and it is also kinda blurry. Did you clean it before or after I posted you the steps to follow? Razz

EDIT: Nvm, since you edited your last post I guess it was before Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:59 pm

before you post it
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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:23 pm

here it is....



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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:36 pm

Both the leveling, size and denoising values seemed good to me. However, the thing that seemed a little off was the fact that the greys aren't uniform at all. Did you use Topaz Clean? Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:38 pm

yes
i'll practice more.....
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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:03 pm

The thing is that, if you did use T. Clean, then some value must be off, cuz the greys should have ended up uniform.

Play with the values I didn't include, and keep the ones I did mention intact. That way you will be able to grasp what is missing easily.

Also, try sharpening the page a little, just a little more. The current "squares" are in a good size, but after you successfully T.Clean them, they will shrink; and if they are that tiny before T.Cleaning them, then they will end up almost invisible xD

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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:13 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:29 pm

Better, but it is still overleveled, and it doesn't look like you are using Topaz Clean at all. Could you please screenshot your settings when you are about to T.Clean it please?

Also, when I said that the blacks should be totally black, they should be black in color (000000), but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't have any dust! Once the perfect tones are obtained, you should burn the dust out with the burn tool Razz Remember to watch out for the greys! Your blacks should be totally black and the whites totally white, but the greys should still remain grey (in your case, they are either too black or too soft xD).

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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:38 am

ahhh ok...
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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:15 am

how about this one....

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PostSubject: Re: Applying for CLEANER   Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:31 am

johnrey.. are you a filipino.? lol btw could you pm me the link of your adobe ps cs5 prtable with built-in topaz plug in? tnx, Smile
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